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crankthatskunk |
Mirza's understanding; Earth is Static |
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Posts: 1343 05/04/09 03:39:36 Registered Member |
A New article on my Blog, exposing Mirza "the best manifestation of God" (nauzobillah).
http://crankthatskunk.wordpress.com/2009/0...arth-is-static/ Comments are welcome. |
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Mulla Do Plaza |
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Posts: 451 05/04/09 19:45:57 Registered Member |
I think Mirza sahib was much better than most of Mullas or even the literal meanings of many Quranic Ayats. Probably mr. skunk didn't understand Urdu. What
Mirza sahib said was as follows:
"Physical science never stays on same color but God's word is always true. First physicsts used to think that sky moves and earth is static. Now physicsts think that earth moves. day by day research brings new results. Being rigid on one idea considering it a word of God is not right. Humans cannot necessarily understand the reality of every thing ......" Mr. skunk your post shows nothing except ignorance, bigotry, deception, lies, fabrication and hate just to name a few traits of your skunkiness. |
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mobi14 |
skunk's fault | #2 | ||
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Posts: 822 05/05/09 03:36:05 Registered Member |
Yes Mullah Do Plaza you are right. The fault is in skunk's inability to
understand a plain Urdu sentence.
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crankthatskunk |
Funny | #3 | ||
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Posts: 1344 05/05/09 06:38:06 Registered Member |
Man o Man, there is absolutely no problem with my comprehension of Urdu. I have translated the Urdu quotation correctly.
Note from Compiler; correction the word not was omitted due to typo error, the sentence should be read as "Earth is static". (Badar V2 N4 P2) 1- Probably, those who think they are scoring brownie points should consider the first quotation I have given that Mirza was taught the meanings of the Quran, which were forgotten. You have to put these two quotes together. Above Mirza says Word of Allah SWT is always true. Then why he did not mentioned Quran and said that Science was wrong? He further said human can not reach to the reality of everything, once again he had the chance to say, that Quran has already established these facts in very clear terms. But he once again failed to mention. 2- I have given history of almost 400 years before Mirza; it was proven by Astronomers that Earth rotates. But Mirza said now (ab) the scientists think that the earth rotates. It is clear indication that he was referring to the Scientifics experiments done in his era, which are listed in my article. 3- Third point I correctly made is the link to the Old Testament, the idea, of static earth and rotating sky came from the Jewish scriptures, not from scientific evidence and experimentations. The Church in 16th and 17th century was still trying hard to suppress the scientific approach towards the fact that Earth Rotates. To save themselves humiliations due to the errors contained in the Bible. 4- Church completely ignored these facts disclosed in the Holy Quran, so did Mirza 5- I have given the example of Abd Allah ibn Mas'ud, to emphsised that the true meanings of the verses were known from the time of Prophet Muhammad SAW, which could only come from Prophet SAW himself. 6- They point completely missed by the critique
that Mirza despite his lofty claims was no wiser. His silence on the Quranic evidence is deafening, which put his concoctions for Quranic
knowledge in the right perceptive and proves that he was a fake. No knowledgeable Muslim would give an answer like this, on such a vital
issue; especially ignoring the Quranic evidence which is repeated at different places in the Holy Quran.
7- Funnily it is not my understanding of Urdu these followers should be worried about; they should be worried about Mirza's knowledge
of Urdu. He wrote "Tabai" could they care to mention what is "TAB" in Urdu?
Off course, the Word of Allah SWT never changes, that Word of Allah SWT was given to Prophet Muhammad SAW in the shape of Holy Quran. That Word of Allah SWT is withstanding all the scientific research and is proven correct. It was not given to a fake like Mirza, who has been proven a liar over and
over again. I wish the followers open their mouths and prove to me how the revelations for the death of Mirza's brother and father can be from Allah SWT?
Do they seriously believe that Allah SWT is capable of making such fundamental errors (nauzobillah) ? Ahhhh, but i know no follower of Mirza will open their
mouth on the evidence displayed in my previous articles. The followers of Mirza should always remember, I have destroyed the credibility of Mirza first before
exposing him furhter. Can somebody tell me, how a person who attribute white lies to Allah SWT can be righteous?
I suggest people should look at the evidence the way it is presented and the conclusions reached, based on the evidence and its analysis. Mirza has failed miserably to prove that he has the knowledge of the Quran on such a vital topic.
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Mulla Do Plaza |
Mr. Skunk U r not only ignorant but arrogant as well | #4 | ||
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Posts: 452 05/05/09 19:49:19 Registered Member |
Mr. Skunk, U r just repeating the wrong translation. This is nothing but ignorance and typiocal Wahabi Deobandi dishonesty and skunkiness. Bettr shutup before
I start tearing apart your faith and your holy books completely. FUI 'Tabaee" means physical and 'Fitri' Means 'nature'. Bettr admit
your agnorance and non-sense or I will show the real face of your faith based on your holy books. Mirza sahib's views seems much more realistic than even
Mullas of your sect today.
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pleeezponder |
MIRZA... A TYPICAL MULLA WITH HIS STORIES | #5 | ||
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Posts: 935 05/05/09 22:31:52 Registered Member |
Chashma surma arya RK2, pdf page 53-278
"...Blessings of Allah are so abundant that even male goat lactates. Then three wise and honourable men narrated to me that they have seen with their own eyes men who lactate like women. Moreover, one of them said that a syyed lad named Amir Ali, whose mother had died, grew up feeding on milk lactated by his father. Similarly, some people have experienced that female silk worms lay eggs without any male worm, and off springs are produced from those eggs. Some also saw that a mouse was born from dry clay (dust?), and it body was half clay and half mouse. Hakim Faazil Qarshi, or may be it was Allama, has written in once place that I saw a patient, whose one ear had stopped functioing to the point of going deaf. And then an open wound developed just below the ear, which ended up growing into holes, and that patient could hear through those holes just fine. It's as if Allah gave him a replacement ear. One of these two doctors, probably Qarshi, has written of an extended period where a hole appeared in his heel, which stool used to pass through..." A GLARING EXAMPLE OF HOW AN IDIOT ILLITERATE VILLAGE MULLA COOKS UP BS TO IMPRESS HIS ALREADY IDIOT BLIND VILLAGERS......AND THEIR PROGENY NOW CALL IT 'MUCH MORE REALISTIC' ......ENJOY |
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Posts: 354 05/06/09 04:03:50 |
Mr. Mulla Do Plaza
You are more interested in ad hominem arguments instead of intellectual debate. What is your problem with Wahabi and Deobandi? Be brave and accept that your actual problem is with Islam and your only intention for being on this forum is to preach secularism. @ Qadianis [Being rigid on one idea considering it a word of God is not right.] What MGAQ is trying to say here? |
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crankthatskunk |
This is interesting | #7 | ||
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Posts: 1345 05/06/09 17:32:44 Registered Member |
Mr. Du Piazza,
It seems you do live in cloud cuckoo land. First of all there is nothing wrong with my translation, or meaning I have derived from the quotations.
1- If you, so insist then please do tell us ; are Physicians responsible for the experiment on Earth rotations? 2- Do you know that in Urdu Tab is always used for the Physicians? Or do you have some other explanations for it? 3- You are confusing Physics with Physicians in Urdu. We are not deal with English meanings here. 4- Do you know Arabic, Mr. Foul mouth? If you do, have you ever heard an Arabic speaking individual saying "Taban"? Do you know the meaning of it? 5- Usually this field always is domain of Cosmologists or Astronomers, but not of physicians. But have it your way.
6- To cut the long story short, do you care to tell us which Scientist or Physician proved that World is Static, before the time of Mirza?
7- Who was proving that world rotate at the time of Mirza? Always remember he used the word (Ab) now. Or do you find this meanings wrong too? If you do please tell us what Ab means in Urdu?
8- Secondly please tell us, why he failed to mention Quranic verses? Did you failed to notice, the Molvi was reading his Tafsir of Quran. But strangely Mirza did not say anything about the Quran, but he started to talk about Static Earth according to Tabai, whatever that means. But then people like you wouldn't understand it or admit it.
9- You may have not paid attention to another absurdity of Mirza but I did off course notice it, Mirza said "Aik bat ko Khudai Qool jan ker pukta hojana durast nahi hai" So what was he talking about a " Allah SWT decree from Quran or what? Never you forget the discussion Molvi having was about the Quran. So what was the Qudai Qool? Mr. Piazza, I can still dig big holes through the stupidity of Mirza. You better not make it worst for your cult and yourself, I am more than capable to humiliate Mirza further on this point. You should always remember when I write something, I always have plenty in store, to take care any idiot like you.
"Better shutup before I start tearing apart your faith and your holy books completely"
10-Last but not least, my book is Quran, and my religion is Islam, I do not believe in any sect, they are strictly forbidden by Allah SWT in the holy Quran, my leader is Prophet Muhammad SAW. I suggest you should carry out your threat and start tearing apart my holy book the Quran.
I want you to do this ASAP; I just can not wait for you to prove categorically that you are a heretical kafir. I will consider it job done. Please do not disappoint us, do carry out your threat.
Give a day or two; I am going to show some more incredible lies and frauds of Mirza and your cult. The lies Kazzab associated with Allah SWT. I will see what would be your response. I will make sure, I urge you to comment on that article. Until then keep simmering, you can not do a thing, except curse and abuse in the foot steps of Mirza Kazzab.
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Mulla Do Plaza |
Stop Supporting Wahabi Lies | #8 | ||
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Posts: 454 05/06/09 18:52:11 Registered Member |
"You are more interested in ad hominem arguments instead of intellectual debate. What is your problem with Wahabi and Deobandi? Be brave and accept that
your actual problem is with Islam and your only intention for being on this forum is to preach secularism. "
What kind of intellectual debate U want when U show no intellect at all. U lie very shamelessly and wrongly attribute some thing to Mirza sahib when he actualy said the opposite. My problem with deobandi and Wahabies is that they are extremists and irrational bigots who want to take the world back to Jahaliya of Abu-Jahal. I crticize both sides of Mulla divide because both belong to the same family. Secularism is the only way for people to live in peace. Quran clearly promotes secularism by saying 'For U your way for me mine" [Kafiroon 109:6] For you is your religion, and for me is mine. Do U respect Quranic orders?
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Mulla Do Plaza |
For Mr. Skunk | #9 | ||
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Posts: 455 05/06/09 19:34:54 Registered Member |
"First of all there is nothing wrong with my translation, or meaning I have derived from the quotations."
There is everything wrong with your translation that is absolutely wrong and showes your dishonesty and bigotry. Even your latest post is full of fabrication. Anyone who knows to read and understand Urdu can very clearly see your fabrications. Now you have some more Wahabi friends in field to support your lies but I assure U that nothing is going to help U. "You are confusing Physics with Physicians in Urdu." Now U are extending fabrications to my posts as well. Where did I used the word "Physicians" in my posts? Rather I traslated Tabee Walon' as Pyisicists. "Aloom Tabee" means the science of Physics.FYI A Physicst is a person who practice Physics. "Do you know Arabic, Mr. Foul mouth? If you do, have you ever heard an Arabic speaking individual saying "Taban"? Do you know the meaning of it?" We are talking about Urdu not Arabic. So stay on the subject. "To cut the long story short, do you care to tell us which Scientist or Physician proved that World is Static, before the time of Mirza?" From Aristotle till Galileo all scientists and holy books considered earth to be flat, static, and sun, moon rotating around it. Evey one know except few skunks on earth. Rest of your post does not need my reply because U r shooting on your foot by splitting hairs of your lice infested hairy face. "10-Last but not least, my book is Quran, and my religion is Islam, I do not believe in any sect, they are strictly forbidden by Allah SWT in the holy Quran, my leader is Prophet Muhammad SAW. I suggest you should carry out your threat and start tearing apart my holy book the Quran." Thanks for the invitation and fasten your seat belts and wait for my traditional Dars-e-Quran, Wa Hadeeth and if U survive the shock I will take U for a ride of Wahabi/Salfi/Deobandi ULLU-MAA's wonderland. "Give a day or two; I am going to show some more incredible lies and frauds of Mirza and your cult." Do I care. The more U mullas fight with each other better it is. In this fight U expose your own self and your outdated and stupid beliefs. Please continue exposing each other. I am happy to see U all bigots naked in the sun so the world can see how horrible and ugly your real self is. For me Mulla and Mirza are the two sides of the same coin. U sell the same rotten wine by putting attractive labels but in competition u expose the reality to the world.
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crankthatskunk |
Bravo, another true follower of Mirza opens his mouth | #10 | ||
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Posts: 1346 05/07/09 03:10:39 Registered Member |
Let's see who is splitting hair and shooting on one's foot. We are talking about Urdu not Arabic. So stay on the subject. Right; so where did this word "Tab" came from in Urdu? From Aristotle till Galileo all scientists and holy books considered earth to be flat, static, and sun, moon rotating around it. Evey one know except few skunks on earth. 1- Hmmmmmmmmm, and what did I write? Almost 400 years before Mirza Copernicus made the first claim that Earth is not centre of the Universe as was believed before. Galileo got punished by the Church in his efforts to put both points of view across for a debate. But surprisingly; Mirza used the word "Ab" now. The word you want to avoid and wouldn't answer my question. Don't blame others for the stupidity of Mirza. I am glad you mentioned Aristotle, the enemies of Islam falsely claim that Prophet Muhammad SAW nauzobillah borrowed the ideas in the Quran from Aristotle, Now you are proving that Aristotle was wrong, but Quran is right on the rotation of the Earth and orbit of the sun and moon, plus all of them floating through space moving towards their appointed place unceasingly. Exactly thw word written by the NASA Scholar "unceasingly" and Abd Allah ibne Masu'd did 1300 years before Mirza, learning directly from Prophet SAW.
2- Now let me expose your stupidity further. You write "and holy books considered earth to be flat" Mr. Du Paizza you have proven that you are as stupid as Mirza and a heretic too. But I am glad that you are proving me right by showing your
stupidity. What do you Consider Quran? UN Holy book?
3, Mr. Big Mouth - precisely this is the purpose of my Article. Your idiot of Quadian didn't consider Quran either, even though
the discussion was on Tafsir of the Holy Quran according to the quotation.
4- I give you another poser on the word "tab" in Urdu and its use. Have you ever heard the phrases " Hadsati Moot" "Tabai Moot"? Do you care to explain the meanings of these two phrases in Urdu? Now we are not talking Arabic we are talking Urdu phrases.
5- Let me prove ; who is splitting hairs. You deliberately ignored the sentence in my last post, I write; Usually this field always is domain of Cosmologists or Astronomers, but not of physicians. But have it your way. So Mr. Du Paizza I already said, I am not bothered about what word you want to use, that does not worry me at all, purpose of my article is completely different. But alas, you still wrote your stupid post. You also ignored my sentence in translation of Mirza's writings.
You see the proof Mr. Big mouth, I used the word Scientists to cover all aspect of the Science.
But you still have the audacity to claim that I am lying. This is the proof that I wasn't bothered from the use of word "Tabai" by Mirza and its
meaning in Urdu and Arabic languages. But idiot like you are only interested in splitting hairs, because you have nothing else to go on.
I am sure, a thicko like you is learning the true purpose of my article now.
5- Don't worry Mr. Big Mouth I am very good in making people eat their words. Just wait couple of days. But always remember what I wrote in my last post; I said Quran is my book, and Prophet Muhammad SAW I follow, therefore, I suggest you start attacking both of them, come on hurry up. You should also read carefully, what I write about Sects according to the Quran; therefore, you will be wasting your breath to write about the sects you mentioned. What good will be attacking something, which I already said is against the teachings of the Quran?
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crankthatskunk |
To my Muslim Brothers | #11 | ||
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Posts: 1347 05/07/09 03:29:55 Registered Member |
To all my Muslims Brothers; Mr. Du Paizza has proven that from now on anybody who dies a "Hadsati Moot" i.e. Accidental death should not be considered dead, that person is very much alive and kicking. Only when some one dies a " Tabai Moot" i.e. die of natural causes is dead, because Tabai means "PHYSICALLY" as TAB means "Physics" according to the Urdu Scholar Mr. Du Paizza and off course that idiot of Quadian. Plus we should not forget from now on we should consider famous people like Copernicus, Galileo and even Aristotle as Physicists according to Mirza they were "Tabai" i.e. physicists. Mr. Du Paizza considered Quran as Un Holy Book but he has no shame in calling the books that have ridiculous ideas like static earth
in them as holy books i.e. Word of God.
We all can give a round of applause to our Esteem Scholar of Urdu.
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Posts: 622 05/07/09 08:46:54 Moderator |
crankthatskunk and mullah do plaza, I have no intention of interfering in this discussion between you two. I edited crankthatskunk's posts to reduce the
font size to a reasonable one. In future please don't use such extra large font. It takes considerable amount of time to edit such post and I don't
have such time. Also when addressing each other please use the nickname that the other party has chosen for himself or a suitable abbreviation thereof.
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rationalist |
re-explain please! | #13 | ||
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Posts: 1 05/08/09 15:26:02 |
OK, so let me get this straight. Mirza claimed that the earth doesnt rotate? Am I understanding this correctly?
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Posts: 749 05/08/09 22:35:43 Registered Member |
I am not a big fan of HMGA, and the Ahmadyya jamaat. But I have a principal to live by: opposition has to be based on a logical fact, and not a result of blind
opposition just for the sake of it.
I am quite surprised to read what crankthatskunk has written. I am sorry to say that he wasted his time on nothing. If ever there was a fruitless and aimless attack, this would be it. Please let me submit my observations. Re HMGA's quote at hand: 1. Facts/theories about earth's rotation are not the primary topic of HMGA's comments. His comments were related to miracles, and he was giving a logical reason to believe in them. By the way, giving examples of a certain scientific knowledge's evolution through history is a writing style commonly drawn upon to establish that science was never a divine truth, rather a learned knowledge gained only through observation of available data. 2. As mentioned above, he drew up on the example of theories about earth's rotation, and scientific community's (the commonly accepted authority on knowledge and logic) evolution of knowledge about this topic to establish that what these people believe in as fact is not always guaranteed to be so. 3. To say that he did not mention Quran is FALSE. He did mention "khuda tala ka kalaam" (Allah's words) in the very beginning. It is a common way of referring to Quran. 4. There is a seriuos mistake in crankthatskunk's translation of the first two words of main paragraph: the words do not mean "laws of nature". The correct (and only) translation is "pysical sciences" "aloom" = sciences (as per Ferozsons Urdu-English dictionary) "tab'a'ee" = Natural, innate, physical, constitutional (as per Ferozsons Urdu-English dictionary) 5. To say that Quran clearly mentions *earth's* rotation is not true. Quran is silent on it. I am *NOT* saying that according to Quran earth is static. All I am saying is that Quran does not specifically say anything about ***earth's*** rotation. Quran mentions sun and moon's rotation, but not earth's. 6. The criticism that why HMGA did not mention the "Quranic fact about earth's rotation" (even though as per #5 above, it is NOT mentioned in Quran) when establishing the fact that earth is now thought of rotating is illogical as well. Reason: HMGA was not trying to prove any theory about earth's rotation; rather, he was merely mentioning a fact that a scientific knowledge has gone through utterly contradictory stages to prove that science is not always right, and to use it's principals to reject a miracle would be wrong. Only Allah knows best. |
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Atlu |
It was a mistake | #15 | ||
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Posts: 126 05/09/09 08:54:54 |
Indeed, crankthatskunk has been doing a marvelous job of researching and exposing Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's falsehood, the lies he has attributed to Quran and Hadith and his other false and illogical claims and statements.
In this particular case, however, he did make an error of judgment - anyone can make a mistake - he was too quick in jumping to conclusion before fully understanding the meaning of MGA's statement.
As regards MGA's attempt to show that science is not very reliable, he was in fact using the general, now stale, formula, loved by mullah and clergy alike to discredit science. Since science is proving religion to be a piece of crap every day, the religious clergy must come up with some way to discredit science and cover up their embarrassment, however weird and absurd their logic may be . What MGA said is not too different from what other religious "scholars" say when confronted with scientific facts. |
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Atlu |
Earth is flat | #16 | ||
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Posts: 127 05/09/09 17:10:01 |
In 1993, the Muslim world was stunned by the alleged edict by then supreme religious authority of the Islamic University of Medina, in Saudi Arabia. On page 23
of his infamous book, "Evidence that the Earth is Standing Still", Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez ibn 'Abdullaah ibn
Baaz declared, "The earth is flat, and anyone who disputes this claim is an atheist who deserves to be punished." Read complete article ......
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Mulla Do Plaza |
Earth is flat | #17 | ||
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Posts: 463 05/09/09 21:13:01 Registered Member |
"Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez ibn 'Abdullaah ibn Baaz declared,
"The earth is flat, and anyone who disputes this claim is an atheist who deserves to be punished." "
The world of internet is full of materials and discussions on this topic with Muslims deeply divided into two camps a) Science Rejectors: These people have a complete support from Hadeeth and all Islamic theologians worked before scientific discoveries. Most of such Mulims live in third world b) Quran or Prophet already told it: These are mostly educated Muslims trying to prove that Quran already told every thing that science discovered later. Their motivation comes from the fact that they understand the science and found it contradictory to traditional Islamic beliefs. These people have no support from thair traditional text tought in semenaries so they invent some strange, mostly unconvincing and incoherant arguments to promote their case. Ahmedies are undoubtedly pioneer in this art. Most orthodox Mullas belong to 1st camp and still belive that the scientic discoveries and space expeditions are fake and propaganda. Wahabi Mullas like Saudi Sheiks belong to this camp though they are slowly getting out of scock and slowly joining the second camp. Personaly I think both camps are losers - The first one for rejecting the reality and second one for jugalry, contradictions and rejection of all the Islamic collective wisdom of 1400 years. Few samples from Quran without comments. "And we have made the earth egg shaped". [Al-Quran 79:30] Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode, and placed
rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas? Is there any Allah beside Allah? Nay, but most of them
know not! [Sura An-Naml (27:61) ]
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Posts: 361 05/09/09 22:03:57 |
@ MDP
If you have become Atheist there is no problem in that to us, but tell me frankly what is your purpose for coming on this forum? Don't you come here to pick some dead Qadianis |
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Posts: 128 05/10/09 06:21:18 |
pp: If you think MDP is wrong then why can you not address his points logically instead of raising the issue of his personal belief like a lowly loser! You are
probably a follower of that stupid Abdul-'Azeez ibn 'Abdullaah ibn Basta... and are pissed off at exposing of your illogical, foolish line of thinking
and see no way to defend your stupid beliefs except through your Talibani tactics.
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Posts: 362 05/10/09 08:15:41 |
Atlu wrote:You need not to worry about me. Purpose of this forum is not to discuss Ibn Baaz. You atheist come to this forum to pick dead Qadianis surely. Get a life looser :d. You Atheists have been refuted many times for your stupid beliefs. Internet is full with such refutations. Don't try to hijack this forum. |
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