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 Mulla Do Plaza |
Prophets of Islam |
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Posts: 496 08/26/09 20:25:46 Registered Member |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-LEsEHSji8
Is there anyone from the both sides of hate equation dare to answer or even thing about the questions raised by this video? |
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Mushtaq Malik |
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Posts: 1525 08/26/09 22:22:04 Registered Member |
Here are answers:
You may post them: Part1/4: According to Holy Quran (HQ), Allah sent His prophets in EVERY GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION and in EVERY ERA. Yes, Confuscious, Bhudda, Rama, Krishna, Cyrus etc were all prophets.
Part2/4: Why all such names are not mentioned in HQ? Beacuse HQ is NOT book of history and geneology like bible.
Part3/4: Why HQ has names of prophets that came in Arabis/ Middle East? Because HQ was revealed among Arabs and that too among Quresh, so only those names of prophets are mentioned in HQ which were familiar to Arabs of that region.
Part4/4: To answer your question about purity of HQ, i will refer you to read the INTRODUCTION portion of HQ translation done by Allama Noor Ud Din and his son and daughter in-law. This HQ introduction answers ALL of your question that you raised in your video:
You may read its reviews on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Quran-Seventh-Allamah-Nooruddin/dp/0963206737/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b
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rationalist |
Mushtaq's answers suck | #2 | ||
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Posts: 106 08/27/09 09:32:33 |
Your answers are laaaame.
Go back to the drawing board. |
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Mulla Do Plaza |
Laaaaaaaaame | #3 | ||
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Posts: 497 08/27/09 18:37:43 Registered Member |
Mr. Malik,
U r unable to gt out of childhood brain washing. Your poiins are self conttradiictory and U have no answer or probably U are unable to understand the whole point of this video. I like when U bigots bash each other on non-issues but your argument ends with ' I am right because I am right'. |
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Mushtaq Malik |
Mullah, where are your answers? | #4 | ||
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Posts: 1526 08/27/09 18:57:57 Registered Member |
Mulla: Your: U r unable to gt out of childhood brain washing. Your poiins are self conttradiictory and U have no answer or probably U are unable to understand the whole point of this video.
I do not understand what you mean. Okay, you please enlighten us with your answers. Hopefully they are better than what I wrote. How my points are self-contradictory? As you acknowledged my answers, may be they are not the best, and then how come you say I have no answer?
Your: I like when U bigots bash each other on non-issues but your argument ends with ' I am right because I am right'.
The so-called "rationalist" thinks my answers are laaame, but he has not put up his. I would like to read his answers. Problem with "rationalist" is that neither he can put-up nor he can shut-up. All he has is a constant diarrhea. |
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Mulla Do Plaza |
Please see the video again | #5 | ||
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Posts: 498 08/27/09 19:56:44 Registered Member |
Malik sahib, most of your answers were already mentioned and contested by this video. Please see it again. U r missing the whole point.
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Mushtaq Malik |
Video answers | #6 | ||
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Posts: 1527 08/27/09 20:41:00 Registered Member |
Mulla:
NO, you are WRONG!!!!!!!!!! Q1: Only PARTIALLY ANSWERED in video. Q2: NOT answered in video. Q3: NOT answered in Video. Q4: NOT answered in Video. It was too long, if i had given the answer. That is why i referred to INTRODUCTION in Allamah Nooruddin translation of Holy Quran. Mulla: YOU NEED TO WATCH VIDEO AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Be a good boy, watch video and tell us how video answered the 4 questions. |
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rationalist |
THE REPLY BY THE RATIONALIST | #7 | ||
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Posts: 107 08/28/09 14:47:31 |
There is only one hadith that states that there were 124,000 prophets. This is from Ibn Hanbal book of hadith, the narrator is Ibn Hibban no.
21257 in Musnad Ibn Hanbal. This is not even an authentic book of tradition. If this report existed in bukhari or muslim than muslims would be
compelled to agree. Ibn Hanbal's book of tradition was written before Buhkari and Muslim, but still it is not at that level of authenticity.
Moreover, Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Daud, Tirmidhi, Malik Muatta, and the Sunan al-Sughra and all other books of tradition do not list this weak tradition. In conclusion, muslims should not rely on this weak tradition. The science of fiqh is against it. Did allah send a messenger to every nation? The answer is yes. But the answer is a Messenger. This is what the koran says. Why does the Bible only list middle-eastern prophets? Because the jews believe that Allah favoured them ONLY, which is incorrect. The Jews believe that all prophets were sent to only them. Is it possible that allah sent messengers just to there own geographical location? As per the Koran, yes. I think that this video has many valid points. And I tend to agree with most of them. Every prophet that was mentioned in the Old testament is mentioned in the koran, FOR THE MOST PART. An argument can be made that Muhammad copied and pasted.
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rationalist |
Tabari | #8 | ||
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Posts: 108 08/28/09 17:47:01 |
Tabari, who is also full of lies, he also concurred that he heard the same tradition.
Tabari writes: Tabari I:323 "I asked the Messenger of Allah how many prophets there were. He replied, '124,000.' I asked him how many of those were messengers. He replied, '313, a large crowd.'" |
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Mulla Do Plaza |
Be a good boy, watch video and tell us how video answered the 4 questions | #9 | ||
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Posts: 499 08/29/09 21:28:09 Registered Member |
@Mushtaq Malik,
I am a good boy and in this age of reasoning good boys think. The video is not providing any answers but posing few mind boggling question that are enough to spin the head of a brain washed Muslim. Probably, like any bigot, your defence mechanisms overreacted and U missed the whole point of the video. For your help, I am writing the questions posed in the video: 1. Why god did send all the prophets (mentioned in Quran) only to middle east, why he didn't spread them to other parts of the world? 2. Why all the prophets (except Muhammad) were sent 2000+ years ago. There are far more people in the world today and far more people who don't believe. Is God sleeping now OR doesn't care anymore? 3. A hadeeth says that 124000 prophets were sent but why Quran or Hadeeth do not mention any name of any prophet outside the middle east? 4. It was told that Buddha, Krishna etc were prophets of Islam. but their true teachings were corrupted or totally obliterated. What is the point of sending the messangers when their message is totally lost? What is the point if the people who receiced the message has no record or recollection of the message? 5. According to Islam even old testaments and gospels are corrupted but Quran stays pure and uncorrupted. How do I know that? Because Quran say so? Isn't it like saying it is true because it says it is is true? 6. OK, If God did protect the Quran then why didn't he protect the previous scripts? Why he didn't send one uncorrupted message? OR does he want it to be confusing for us? 7. Is religion a game show and God is a compare in glittery suit who tells us to choose the right door - one leading to the joys of eternal salvation and others to the agony of eternal damnation and you are the lucky one who always end up on the right door? 8. For most people there is no choice. Most human beings remain in the religion of their birth. If you ask them each will tell you that they are the most lucky to be followers of true religion. What a stroke of a luck? So you all lucky guys trying to prove your cage is the bast cage in universe, do you have any answer??????? Now come to MM's lame replies to his self made questions. "Yes, Confuscious, Bhudda, Rama, Krishna, Cyrus etc were all prophets." MM Proof???? Is there any single script written before modern Ahmadiyya claims so? If not, why not? "Beacuse HQ is NOT book of history and geneology like bible." MM So it is a book of what? Why there is history or geneology in it? Isn't the life and death of Isa a history issue? What it has to do with faith? "only those names of prophets are mentioned in HQ which were familiar to Arabs of that region" MM But isn't it a book meant for all people, all locations and all times? Why is it forzen in Quresh and their culture? I expect no answer from you or any member from any other fighting faction. Your querls and endless fights are enough for a sane person to understand why you people are so confused about the "message of God".
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Mushtaq Malik |
Mulla, wher are YOUR ANSWERS???? | #10 | ||
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Posts: 1530 08/30/09 00:41:08 Registered Member |
Mulla,
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Mulla Do Plaza |
Mulla, wher are YOUR ANSWERS???? | #11 | ||
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Posts: 501 08/30/09 06:23:49 Registered Member |
The answer lies in the questions themselve. The only thing you need is courage to say no to traditional wisdom (ہمتِ کُفر) and explore (جراءتِ تحقیق).
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tan01 |
video | #12 | ||
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Posts: 167 08/30/09 10:47:36 Registered Member |
what was the purpose of this video? my downloading was very slow so i couldnt really watch the full video but i saw most of it and read the
questions.i can answer the questions but each question reqires big explaination,and everyone can have hiskind of answer.
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Mulla Do Plaza |
@ Tan | #13 | ||
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Posts: 503 08/30/09 11:36:18 Registered Member |
Simple questions should have simple answers. Longs explanation are needed only when you have to spread dust or to muddy the water further.
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badshah2000 |
Those with something to say, please share! | #14 | ||
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Posts: 805 08/30/09 18:05:08 Registered Member |
I watched the video, and then read follow up posts on this forum with quite a bit of interest. I have no idea on how to answer these questions. Some I could
try, but others had me beat.
Brother Mulla Do Plaza, I would be very interested in hearing what you have to say about these questions/issues. A few of your posts left me with the impression that you may have something to say about these. I could be wrong, but if you have some knowledge that could help me with these, I'd be very thankfull. tan01, long time no see... I would also be interested in hearing what a [self proclaimed] prophet of God has to say about these mind boggling questions. If you are not comfortable with writing in this thread, please start a new one. Or, I could send you my private email address if you are more comfortable with that. Jazaak Allah. |
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Mulla Do Plaza |
Those with something to say, please share! | #15 | ||
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Posts: 505 08/30/09 19:18:54 Registered Member |
Badshah, I have no answer to any of the questions posed in this video. This is the reason I bring this to the attention of all the fighting factions of Islam.
These are the basic questions and if there is no answer then we all are in deep s#$t.
This is all I have to say at this point. |
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tan01 |
videos's questions | #16 | ||
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Posts: 168 08/31/09 04:42:55 Registered Member |
mulla do plaza which planet you are living on thinking those are simple questions? there is very little if any that is simple in religion. badshah2000 nice to talk to you again. the first 3 , 4 questions are easy . (1) according to quran Allah has sent messengers to all people. (2) it has not been 2000 years , Muhammad saw ,mirza ghulam ahmad as in last islamic century and i for this century. (3) Are we suppose to read God's mind why God has not mentioned names of other prophets? (4) the earlier prophets were sent for that particular time and people and their teaching was not meant for all time and unaltered. (5) for this question one answer is because quran is the direct word of God while the other books are inspirations and word of the prophets .but you can argue in this i guess. (6)The other teachings and books are like stars and when quran came its like the sun rose so the stars fade in the light of the sun now can you say what is the need of the stars in the night ,the need was through them people found guidance in going places. The next two questions are very deep and reuire such long answer that if you dont mind i will leave out ,but they have much to do with the free choice and predetermination topic we disussed if you remember try to recall that and i think they are covered in that . This requires a lot of typing which sorry i can not do right now. I hope they were help to you. |
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Mulla Do Plaza |
r u serious? | #17 | ||
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Posts: 509 08/31/09 14:59:26 Registered Member |
tan, r u serious or trying to be funny?
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mobi14 |
Semetic religious notions | #18 | ||
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Posts: 835 08/31/09 15:12:24 Registered Member |
The question this video poses is not new for students of sociology of religions. All three named religions have one thing in common. They represent the mind
set of the inhabitants of this region, where the notion of one God was born and where the man came into direct contact with his creator.
In fact the very idea of "Ilham" (Revelation) is alien to Indians and Chinese and all the other human races on earth. There is no idea of a God in Buddhist teachings. Also Chinese teachers did not talk of God and they were never in communion with him. The whole idea that God sent prophets to all nations in all ages is but a concoction. The number of 124000 Prophets was taken from the Jewish traditions. There is no Islamic source for this notion. |
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Mushtaq Malik |
Concoction????????? | #19 | ||
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Posts: 1536 08/31/09 15:39:53 Registered Member |
Mobi you wrote on 8/31/09:
The whole idea that God sent prophets to all nations in all ages is but a concoction. Okay, then WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ABOUT HOLY QURAN: Chapter 2; verse 4 Chapter 40; Verse 78 You may see page pages 25 and 36 in the INTRODUCTION SECTION of Holy Quran translation by Allamah Noor UdDin. http://www.islamusa.org/OnlineTrans/index.html |
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Posts: 806 08/31/09 21:42:55 Registered Member |
mobi14 wrote: I would be very reluctant to consider what's mentioned in Quran (as per my feable understanding) a concoction. I would respectfully refer you to Quran: 10:47; 16:36. Please either correct yourself, or enlighten me. Thanks. peace. PS. If someone needs even more material to mess up their mind  , Religulous by Bill Maher is priceless. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/ (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4607507/Religulous_by_Bill_Maher)
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